bigdaddy Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 Hi Guys, Due to the lovely sunny day, I decided to get the nsf bottom ball joint changed, Went to loosen the wheel nuts and found the lock key was damaged from previous use, and now it wont remove the bolt, so I hammered a 12mm socket onto it, didn't work, just keeps on slipping off.. With out having to buy a new key(still have key code and original box) do any of you, have any suggestions to what I could try now Quote
Guest midwife32 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 My bro (a mechanic) suggests.......... ........praying :( :( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Lisa Quote
bigdaddy Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Posted April 23, 2006 Too late ,,,,,done lots of that :( Quote
NikpV Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 Using hammered on socket with an impact driver, with a bit of luck pushing the driver will keep the socket on :( Quote
mumof4 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 Well..my car goes into the garage on monday afternoon to have a wheel taken off by drilling through the locking nut on the wheel as ours was damaged and wouldnt come off any other way.Then the repaired tyre goes back on with no wheel locking nut on the wheel..just normal nuts on it this time. Quote
familyman Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 :( Had the same trouble with mine - had to get the locking nuts drilled out by the local garage, then bought some new ones from the dreaded main dealer,now whenever i have work done at tyre fitting centres etc i always ask them NOT to tighten them up with air powered tools as some of these guys seem to think the're fitting wheels to a 40 ton lorry! Quote
bigdaddy Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Posted April 23, 2006 Why is it u try to do something to make your car better (fit new bottom ball joint) and it all goes t***s up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Cheers nik,,,,I tried air tools at work, but even they failed to get it off, 90psi of pure muscle, and it did not work, i even managed to straighten the pins on the lock key and now it fits, but still will not turn,,,,,,,, And to make this story worse, I can only get one locking nut off, the other 3 refuse to come off, and thats with the brute force of air tools,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I am on late shift tuesday, so think i will get the drill out,,,,,,,,, :( Quote
Guest Cepheus Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 I've got the same problem with one of my locking nuts. Went for a brake check and they couldn't get it off with the air tool either. Bugger. Quote
Masked Marauder Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 Forget "Drilling Out" that is just what they say to push the price up. What you really use is a reverse helix socket that screws it's self onto the locking nut and then spins it off. http://www.premiertools.co.uk/cat111_1.htm Locking Wheel Nut Removal Sockets Chrome Molybdenum steel socket with 1/2Sq drive. Used with air impact wrench running in reverse or a Ratchet, deep reverse helix grips locking wheel nut. Ideal for busy fast fit operation. Removal action will distort wheel nut and replacement is recommended. http://www.premiertools.co.uk/usrimage/tlwset.jpg That is an expensive set, you can get a set that does 17mm &19mm (the most common nut sizes) from motor factors or (gulp) Halfords. Quote
bigdaddy Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Posted April 23, 2006 Cheers MM, seen these type of sockets before,,,,,,,but I have managed to fix the lock key,,,,,,even with air tools it still wont turn,,,,,,and thats 3 locking bolts that wont turn I was hoping to drill the locking bolts out by myself :( Quote
Guest neil_wiles Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 BigD The material used for the locking bolts is High Tensile Steel and uis unlikely to be able to be "drilled" out and as MM suggested you wil prolly find the garage have either the conical helix type socket or the sliding pin type and use a long T bar to remove them. I dont think you will be able to drill them and prolly should try either socket types but with a very long bar as this has happen to my old Gal several times and I have destroyrd five socket wrenches and tee bars trying to undo them. Quote
lazyb5 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 When i replaced the discs on my Gal i put a dab of copperslip on the locking nut threads to prevent this. I then was told its a no no to grease wheel bolts. At least mine still come off if i get a puncture. Anybody else any opinion about copperslip on threads? Quote
Masked Marauder Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 When i replaced the discs on my Gal i put a dab of copperslip on the locking nut threads to prevent this. I then was told its a no no to grease wheel bolts. At least mine still come off if i get a puncture. Anybody else any opinion about copperslip on threads? I have been doing it since I was 18, so a few years now. I am yet to have a wheel fall off. Quote
bigdaddy Posted April 27, 2006 Author Report Posted April 27, 2006 A little update for u all,,,,,,,,,,,I contacted Ford, and they where able to get a replacement locking key,,,,,,,,all for the pricey sum of Quote
mumof4 Posted April 27, 2006 Report Posted April 27, 2006 cost me 5 quid to get the wheel off and new one fitted with out having to drill it out!! it can be done. :lol: Quote
greg_68 Posted April 27, 2006 Report Posted April 27, 2006 When i replaced the discs on my Gal i put a dab of copperslip on the locking nut threads to prevent this. I then was told its a no no to grease wheel bolts. At least mine still come off if i get a puncture. Anybody else any opinion about copperslip on threads? I have been doing it since I was 18, so a few years now. I am yet to have a wheel fall off. :D I guess the ones where the wheel did come off aren't really around anymore to tell us so. :lol: Quote
mumof4 Posted April 27, 2006 Report Posted April 27, 2006 Um.....mine have got it on..... :lol: Quote
Masked Marauder Posted April 27, 2006 Report Posted April 27, 2006 Don't worry, as long as you only put a thin smear on it should not be a problem. Quote
mumof4 Posted April 27, 2006 Report Posted April 27, 2006 i never put it on..the guys who took the punctured wheel off originally did..i didnt know you werent supposed to. Quote
dave_m Posted April 28, 2006 Report Posted April 28, 2006 you would only grease the locking nut, all the others would hold the wheel on OK even if the locker came out! Quote
Masked Marauder Posted April 28, 2006 Report Posted April 28, 2006 you would only grease the locking nut, all the others would hold the wheel on OK even if the locker came out! I have always applied a thin smear of copper grease to my wheel studs/bolts and torqued then to the manufacturer's specification and I have never ever had a wheel nut come loose. Quote
steve67car Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 a little trick that works for me on stiff wheel nuts/studs is retighten the other nuts on the wheel then undo the tight one first this works 9/10 if that fails then a big crack bar and a piece of scaffold tube allways works even if the bar i use has a slight curve in it now :D Quote
NikpV Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 and a piece of scaffold tube allways works even if the bar i use has a slight curve in it now I always find the locking nut scoket comes off usually with extreme prejudice :ph34r: leaving the locking socket unusable :( :D Quote
teresa Posted July 21, 2006 Report Posted July 21, 2006 A little update for u all,,,,,,,,,,,I contacted Ford, and they where able to get a replacement locking key,,,,,,,,all for the pricey sum of Quote
mumof4 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Posted July 21, 2006 take it to a place that only does tyres..that is what i did..cost me 5 quid to get the old locking nuts off and wheel changed and normal nuts put back on Quote
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